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[man] I don't know
what the hell that is.
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[woman] I don't know, man,
but no planes ride that low.
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[man] What the hell is that?
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[Chris Hayes] The Pentagon
has confirmed the existence
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of the $22 million initiative
that studied UFOs
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for at least five years,
beginning in 2007.
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And they released video.
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[man] Some people find what we
call UFOs terrifying.
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Or they just want to dismiss it
and say it's all nonsense.
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- [woman] I'm not joking.
- [man] Way up there.
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Look at how it smoothers.
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It's really not all nonsense,
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but it's not what
you think it is either.
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[man] They're very large.
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[man] Nine feet, ten foot,
I don't know.
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They look like aliens to us.
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They have shiny eyes and...
and they're not human.
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They're 100%, they're not human.
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It turns out
there was a UFO program
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in the Pentagon secretly
studying this for years.
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There is something there.
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There is something
provably there,
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and at least initially,
it cannot be explained.
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[man] When it comes
to the UAP problem,
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the rules have changed.
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I mean, the best evidence
is what your government
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is doing about it.
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Now, just a short time ago,
Senator Reid responded to CNN
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saying he's, quote,
"Proud of this program"
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"and its groundbreaking
studies."
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I'm Gary Nolan.
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I'm a professor
in the department of pathology
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at Stanford University
School of Medicine.
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And the principal function
of my lab
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is cancer research,
but subcellular cancer research.
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So we look at cells
in cancer tissues.
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When you're trying to understand
the basics of something,
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really what you're doing is
you're tearing something apart
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down to its most
foundational constituents,
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and you're saying,
"How do they get put together?"
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And we say, "This therapy
with this arrangement does well,
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and this arrangement,
they die." Rules.
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It's the basics of science.
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Several years ago,
some people who are associated
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with the CIA
and an aerospace company
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came to my office one day,
unannounced, and they said,
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"Hey, we need to talk to you,"
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"because people say that
you have a blood analysis tool"
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"and we're doing complete
medical workups of these people"
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"who've claimed to have
interactions with something,"
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"whatever it is, and it was
varied, 100 different people."
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"But we have
all of this medical data,"
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"including, like, MRIs of
their brains and all the rest."
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"Since you have the best blood
analysis, we need your help."
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And then they started
talking about UAP or UFOs,
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and I thought it was a joke.
I really did.
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I actually thought
there was some sort
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of a candid camera moment.
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I was looking around,
like, "Okay, well, there's a..."
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"There's a bridgeway
over there."
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"Is there a camera
that's looking at me?"
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"Am I gonna...?"
You know, "Is this a big joke?"
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But no, they were
very deadly serious.
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Well, I mean, the understanding
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that we saw,
at least with the brain scans
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that we had,
was that it was random.
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Patches of white matter
diseases,
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dead tissue in the brain.
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[Nolan] Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
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You know,
at first glance, it looks
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like multiple sclerosis.
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You get these random white
matter patches in the brain,
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and as those patches progress,
people lose more and more
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function and control
over their body.
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These look similar
at first glance,
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but they were non-progressing.
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And multiple sclerosis
progresses unless you intervene.
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So a few patches become ten
patches, and they get larger.
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These cases were what we would
call acute, non-progressing.
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I thought, "This is weird.
They all seemed to have this."
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At first,
we thought it was damage,
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but this was,
in fact, living tissue.
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And so that's something
that needs an explanation.
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How did a person
get all of these lesions
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in their brain and they don't
have multiple sclerosis?
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What happened to them?
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[woman] I know
I'm a little slow,
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but that's not an airplane.
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It's not a rocket. Maybe
the dragons have been released.
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Somebody pissed off Godzilla.
I don't know.
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What the hell is this?
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Whatever it is,
it's shaking my house.
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Now, as it turned out,
the hundred events
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that we had,
probably about 85 of them
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actually,
were Havana syndrome patients.
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- Havana syndrome.
- Havana syndrome.
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- Havana syndrome.
- [reporter] Covert sonic weapon.
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A mystery illness which has
affected U.S. diplomats.
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[reporter] Can cause dizziness,
nausea, even brain damage.
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Serious illness called...
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What is the Havana syndrome?
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[Nolan] So there were situations
around the world
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where our diplomatic corps
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were complaining
of noises in their head.
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Headaches, rashes,
sickness, et cetera.
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And it's been generally
determined that these are
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some sort of energy weapon,
which is being used
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to harass our diplomatic corps.
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I mean, this is known
from way back in Moscow
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during the Soviet Union.
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It's not hard to do.
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I mean, take the front mesh
off of your microwave and stick
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your face in front of it,
and you'll find out
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exactly what
an energy weapon is.
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And it turned out
that 85 people that we had
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actually were
Havana syndrome patients.
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But that left 15 people
on the table.
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And we said, "Well, what's
special about these people?"
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Well, they were all extremely
high functioning.
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They were all, in many cases,
what you would call savants.
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Right?
They were 130, 140 IQ-plus.
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Why?
Because these are DoD people.
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They were also pilots.
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And when you looked
at their stories,
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they were entirely about UAP.
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[man] There's a whole fleet
of them. Look on the ASA.
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My gosh.
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[reporter] The release of U.S.
Navy pilots, cockpit footage
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and testimony
about possible UAPs
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has caused a media frenzy.
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[man] No distinct wings,
no distinct tail.
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It seemed like they were aware
of our presence
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'cause they would
actively move around us.
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[reporter] This video,
captured by a fighter pilot
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with a cell phone that shows
a metallic object
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that you might miss
if you blink.
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[female reporter] Three key
former military officials
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set to testify.
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[reporter] David Frevor,
a former Navy commander
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who took video of a UAP.
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[David Frevor] As we looked
around, we noticed
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a white tic tac object
with a longitudinal axis
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pointing north/south and moving
very abruptly over the water.
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There were no rotors,
no rotor wash,
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or any sign of visible
control surfaces like wings.
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[reporter] Former navy pilot,
Lieutenant Ryan Graves,
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calls whatever is out there
a security risk.
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So you're seeing it both with
the radar and with the infrared,
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and that tells you that there
is something out there.
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Pretty hard to spoof that.
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My particular case,
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a couple weeks after
finishing my training,
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I found myself out
in the Middle East,
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preparing for combat operations.
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We conducted those operations
for about four months
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and returned back to the Eastern
Seaboard of the United States.
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We started upgrading some
systems and doing repairs.
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We upgraded radar system,
and when we did this,
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flying with
a more advanced radar,
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we'd be seeing objects that were
operating in the working areas
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that we hadn't seen
just that morning.
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And that was really
the status quo
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until we actually left
on our workup cycle to join
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the USS Theodore Roosevelt
off the coast
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of Jacksonville, Florida.
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And it was there
that we filmed the Gimbal video.
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We all fly out together,
we do our training,
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and we fly back
as we run out of fuel,
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essentially, one by one.
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Two aircrew that I know well
were returning to the boat
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when they picked up
radar contact
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of four or five objects
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that were flying
in a wedge or V-formation.
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You can hear their excitement
in their voice as they try
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to understand
what they're looking at.
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Dude, what's going on, bro?
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There's a whole fleet of them.
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Look on the ASA.
My gosh.
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[Graves] And then between that
formation and the aircraft was
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what appeared
to be a larger object.
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And that's the object
we typically call the Gimbal.
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[man] That's not our L and S,
though, is it?
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[man] That is L and S, dude.
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[man] They're all going
against the wind.
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The wind's 120 knots
to the west.
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[man] Look at that thing, dude.
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[man] But if there's a...
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[man] Look at that thing.
It's rotating.
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When Ryan Graves was flying
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off the USS Theodore Roosevelt
off the east coast of the U.S.
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during an exercise,
my job was safety of flight,
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and I got this report
on the Navy's secret network.
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It was an email,
and it was addressed
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to all the subordinate
commanders of this command
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called U.S. Fleet Forces
Command, a four-star command.
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And it was from
the operations officer,
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a two-star admiral
who I knew very well.
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And the subject
of the email was,
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"Urgent, safety
of flight issue."
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All caps. The body,
the text was very short.
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It just said, "If any of you
have seen what these are,"
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"tell me ASAP."
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We're having numerous
near mid-air collisions
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with these, and we're gonna have
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to shut down the exercise
if we don't resolve this.
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And attached was the now
very famous "go fast" video.
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[man] Oh, my gosh, dude.
Wow.
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[Gallaudet] This was to every
subordinate commander.
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So this is about 20 admirals
and senior executives
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who received it.
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The thing is,
the next day, that email
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was wiped from my computer.
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And everybody else's.
And no one talked about it.
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When I went to monthly meetings
with the commander
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and all the people who were...
received that email,
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which I have a problem with
because this was
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a safety-of-flight issue,
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resulting in the pilots...
Ryan Graves,
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having to mitigate
his own safety threats
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with no senior officer
supporting him,
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which is a big problem.
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[Graves] We've seen these things
being stationary
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and moving with the wind.
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We've also seen them
drifting against the wind
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in a very similar manner
as well,
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that look like just a dark cube
inside of a clear sphere.
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We've seen them maintain
complete stationary behavior
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over a GPS location
for extended periods of time
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in hurricane-force winds.
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We don't understand
how it's able to perform
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those even very basic maneuvers.
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We're seeing them
in the morning.
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We're seeing them
in the afternoon.
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We're seeing them
in the evening.
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There's no break
in all those behaviors.
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And so all that combined
is confusing
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and doesn't correlate
with the technology
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that I'm aware of
as a fighter pilot.
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This story has a way
of engulfing you
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whether you want it to or not.
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I called it my abduction story
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because when I first started
covering this topic,
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I felt like I was being lowered
into a rabbit hole.
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Couldn't see the bottom,
you know, couldn't make out
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the creatures that were,
you know, gonna show up.
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[Bender] I've covered
the Pentagon
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and national security
for more than two decades,
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covered the wars in Iraq
and Afghanistan,
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traveled the world,
and in that entire time,
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I don't think UFOs
came up a single time.
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All those years...
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You know,
it was a subject that, you know,
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was for movies
and science fiction.
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Rosenberg. Oh, damn.
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The Achilleans are
not gonna like this.
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This guy was
one of the royal family.
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I knew it. This is an alien,
and you guys are
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from some government agency
trying to keep it under wraps.
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And then, in 2017...
things changed.
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A recent report
by The New York Times
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unveiled the existence of
a real life X Files department.
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[Hayes] The former head
of that program, Luis Elizondo,
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told the Times the UF program
collected video
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and audio recordings of reported
UFO incidents, including footage
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from a Navy F/A-18
Super Hornet showing an aircraft
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surrounded by some kind
of glowing aura.
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[Kean] As a journalist,
I'd spent 17 years
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reporting on UFOs in a climate
in which nobody official
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would acknowledge anything
about them.
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Before 2017, of course,
it was just ridicule.
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It was just non-engagement,
just disinterest, 100%.
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And that's why it was
so shocking for me to learn
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this program existed,
because I've been out
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in the world campaigning
for the government to set up
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an agency to study these things.
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But actually, there was one.
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I got a tip that, "Hey,
you know, the Pentagon has"
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"this UFO research effort."
And it was created,
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you know, by then
Senator Harry Reid of Nevada.
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Here's a senior senator who
believes the truth is out there
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and, you know,
is inserting money
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into the Pentagon budget,
very quietly,
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very secretively, to go
do more research on this.
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I mean, that only happens
in the movies.
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But this was a real story.
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Our story actually ran the same
day as The New York Times.
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I think they beat us by, like,
an hour or something like that.
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It all began when I went
to this meeting,
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and I sat opposite a table,
opposite Lou Elizondo,
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and talked to him
for about three hours,
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all about the program.
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I was shown all these documents.
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I was shown, you know,
performance reviews that he had.
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And then the big moment
was when I was shown
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these three videos that have
since become very well known.
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These haunting images,
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part of a bombshell
first admission
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by the military
of a government program
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investigating sightings of UFOs.
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[man] Look at that thing.
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It wasn't until
The New York Times article
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came out in 2017 and I saw
the video that they released.
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Obviously,
a strange moment of déjà vu,
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until I realized
that those were, you know,
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my friends' voices.
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That's when I realized
that this was a problem
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that clearly
wasn't being resolved.
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[Bender] Pilots who come
forward, you know, not just
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somebody off the street,
but, you know, 20-year veterans
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flying F18s, trusted
with millions of dollars
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of taxpayer money
and high performance aircraft
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coming back and saying,
"Listen, we were"
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"on this training mission,
and we were stalked"
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"by these orbs for days."
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And it wasn't just the pilots,
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but it was the radar operators
on warships
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that were also part
of this flotilla.
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So you can't just dismiss it.
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[Kean] The videos were not shown
to me by Lou in that meeting,
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but they were shown to me
on a laptop by Chris Mellon.
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[reporter] Christopher Mellon
served as deputy assistant
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secretary of defense
for intelligence
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for Presidents
Clinton and George W. Bush,
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and had access to top secret
government programs.
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So it's not us.
That's one thing we know.
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In 2017, as a private citizen,
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he surreptitiously acquired
the three Navy videos
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and leaked them
to The New York Times.
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It's bizarre
that someone like myself
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has to do something
like that to get
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a national security issue
like this on the agenda.
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No. [clears throat]
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Actually, this...
People don't realize
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is she was kind
of auditioning for me.
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I had The Washington Post
and Politico
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and The New York Times
competing for this story.
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I didn't want to spend months
and months and then find out
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that, "Oh, her editors
are not going to run it."
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Competition is usually
a good thing.
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The New York Times seemed
to be the best opportunity,
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but it wasn't as though
they found me.
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I reached out to them.
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[Kean] Chris Mellon became
involved with Luis Elizondo
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while he was still at AATIP,
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which was this Pentagon group
that had been studying UAP.
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[Mellon] I got invited
to a Pentagon meeting
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because I was
an unpaid consultant
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to the Office
of Naval Intelligence.
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So I still had
my security clearances
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and found out
that we were having incursions
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over restricted military
airspace on an ongoing,
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recurring basis for years.
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Dozens and dozens and dozens
of incidents
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that were not being reported.
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NORAD didn't even know
this was happening.
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North American Aerospace Command
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didn't know this was happening,
or so they say.
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I was blown away.
How can this be?
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Why do we have
an intelligence community
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if we're going to let people
fly over our country
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with strange vehicles and we're
not even going to report it?
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It was partly like Pearl Harbor,
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only absent the consequences.
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But they're seeing it
on radar, and they're
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not reporting it
up the chain of command,
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which is what happened
at Pearl Harbor.
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And it was kind of like 9/11,
because all these different
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government agencies
had pertinent information
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on this topic
that they weren't sharing,
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and there was no one place
that came together.
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I was ashamed, in a sense,
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as a member
of the intelligence community,
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as someone who's part of that,
to see the system paralyzed.
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Natural reaction was to go
through the chain of command.
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I had two friends who,
by chance, were
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direct reports to defense sec
James Mattis.
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But the bureaucracy...
Nobody wanted to touch it.
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It was a hot potato.
Nobody would take ownership.
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[Bender] Christopher Mellon,
he's not...
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somebody who's
gone off the deep end.
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He's somebody who worked,
you know, at the highest levels
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of the Pentagon.
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One thing that might drive Chris
is that he was among
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the most senior intelligence
officials in the country,
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and he suspects they were
hiding things from him.
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[Mellon] When I was
in the government,
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this was an issue
that you just didn't talk about.
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There was always
the risk that you were
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going to damage
your reputation and,
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you know,
might affect opportunities
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for promotion or jobs
and so forth.
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So after months of trying
to get some kind
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of favorable action,
it became clear that we either
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had to give up
and just allowed us to continue,
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or we had to go to Capitol Hill
and the press.
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[reporter] Tonight, CNN has
learned the Pentagon
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had a secretive program
to research UFOs,
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like the one Frevor spotted.
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The project was called
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the Advanced Aviation Threat
Identification program.
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[Kean] All of this was
on the record.
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All of this was documented.
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And because Senator Harry Reid
was involved,
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it also gave
the story credibility.
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It was pretty explosive.
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I mean, it was picked up
a lot in our media, I think,
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maybe even more
in the international media.
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It was just like this firestorm.
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The military spent
millions of dollars
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to look into UFO sightings.
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[reporter] Millions of dollars
for the project
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were pushed through
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by former Senate
majority Leader Harry Reid,
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but the funding for the project
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was so-called "Black Money,"
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meaning that was secret money
for classified programs.
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They just didn't
want it talked about.
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[Bender] That could be
a military threat.
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We should be looking at it.
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But on the one-in-a-million,
billion chance
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that it really is ET,
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we kind of want
to know that, too.
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[Mellon] It was a thrilling
moment for them.
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It was a breakthrough.
It was unprecedented.
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It was significant.
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But I would like to correct
the record a little bit.
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The New York Times
had virtually no impact
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on the legislative or executive
branches of government.
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I thought Congress
would be seized with this.
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They'll be demanding briefings,
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demanding to know
what's going on.
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That's not what happened,
to my great surprise.
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Marks a turning point
in the history of this issue.
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But had it been
that story alone,
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we wouldn't be having
this conversation.
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[Mace] If you believe
we have crashed craft,
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as stated earlier,
do we have the bodies
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of the pilots who piloted
this craft?
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As I've stated publicly already,
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biologics came
with some of these recoveries.
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Were they, I guess,
human or non-human biologics?
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Non-human.
And that was the assessment
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of people with direct knowledge
on the program I talked to
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that are currently
still on the program.
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[Schwartz] Now, the committee
says this could be the first
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of several hearings,
with some lawmakers saying next
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00:24:07,655 --> 00:24:10,574
they would like to hear
directly from some of the pilots
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who have encountered
those objects firsthand.
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[Mellon] Pilots.
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That's what really
made the difference.
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It was face-to-face
with the naval aviators
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describing their experiences.
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[Graves] When I pursued this,
my personal logic was that,
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"Hey, I'm representing myself."
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"I'm gonna talk. I'm not gonna
be wearing uniform."
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00:24:38,186 --> 00:24:40,312
"I'm not gonna say
I'm Lieutenant Graves,"
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"and I'm saying X, Y, or Z."
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I just wanted to speak as
someone that had experiences,
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that was talking about them
in my own time.
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From my perspective,
I knew that what I was doing
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was well outside the bounds
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of what would be considered
acceptable behavior
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from my command instructor
or anything like that.
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But I really didn't see
any other way
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that this was going to resolve
itself through the status quo.
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00:25:05,713 --> 00:25:08,006
Ryan was initially,
understandably,
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very reluctant to come
and speak to members
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of the Congress,
469
00:25:12,345 --> 00:25:14,262
and it was a bit
of soul searching on his part.
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[Schiff] What to me is
so intriguing about it is,
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in the past,
if a pilot saw something,
472
00:25:23,981 --> 00:25:26,191
there wasn't any way
of really corroborating.
473
00:25:26,192 --> 00:25:30,904
Was this human error? Was this
fatigue on the pilot's behalf?
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Was this a problem
with the instrumentation?
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But now there are any number
of documented incidences
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where there are
multiple instruments
477
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recording something out there.
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So it's not just the pilot.
It's not just one tool.
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There is something there.
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There is something
provably there,
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and at least initially,
it cannot be explained.
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[Graves] I just knew that I had
a responsibility to talk
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about what I knew
and describe what I knew
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and what I didn't know
as clearly as possible.
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I ended up going to the Pentagon
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to kind of start
the conversation.
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We've transitioned
from the Pentagon
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up to the Central Armed
Service Committee.
489
00:26:13,698 --> 00:26:15,031
We had a closed-door meeting.
490
00:26:17,535 --> 00:26:19,202
I mean, honestly,
I was pretty terrified.
491
00:26:19,203 --> 00:26:21,788
Frankly, did not want
to go there, if you will.
492
00:26:21,789 --> 00:26:24,541
I did not want to go there.
493
00:26:24,542 --> 00:26:26,042
[Mellon] Ryan was one
of the first pilots,
494
00:26:26,043 --> 00:26:28,586
maybe the first pilot
to come forward
495
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,880
and brief members
of the Armed Services
496
00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:32,590
and Intelligence Committees
behind closed doors.
497
00:26:33,926 --> 00:26:36,052
It was pretty clear
that this was not
498
00:26:36,053 --> 00:26:38,054
necessarily going to be
well received by his colleagues
499
00:26:38,055 --> 00:26:42,058
in his squadron
and by other Navy officials,
500
00:26:42,059 --> 00:26:44,602
and yet he decided to do so.
501
00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:46,313
At least I can say
at some point in my life
502
00:26:46,314 --> 00:26:48,064
I really, truly
pursued something
503
00:26:48,065 --> 00:26:50,109
that I felt I believed in.
504
00:26:51,027 --> 00:26:53,903
You've also, I believe,
discussed and know
505
00:26:53,904 --> 00:26:55,572
of many more pilots.
506
00:26:55,573 --> 00:26:56,823
This is just those that you're
currently working with.
507
00:26:56,824 --> 00:26:58,658
Is that correct?
Can you expand on that?
508
00:26:58,659 --> 00:27:00,744
When we were first experiencing
these objects
509
00:27:00,745 --> 00:27:04,581
off the Eastern Seaboard
in the 2014 to 2015 time period,
510
00:27:04,582 --> 00:27:06,916
anyone that had upgraded
their radar systems
511
00:27:06,917 --> 00:27:08,001
were seeing these objects.
512
00:27:12,006 --> 00:27:15,592
I didn't have a massive, massive
interest in UFOs growing up.
513
00:27:15,593 --> 00:27:18,762
Kind of a standard interest
that I guess most young people
514
00:27:18,763 --> 00:27:22,849
do with X Files and ET
and things in movies.
515
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:25,935
It was only in 2017
when The New York Times
516
00:27:25,936 --> 00:27:27,437
article came out,
that I really...
517
00:27:27,438 --> 00:27:29,939
My interest was really piqued.
518
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:33,193
And I think at that point,
I was hooked, absolutely hooked.
519
00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:35,153
And so I wanted
to kind of document
520
00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:36,863
where my mind was
going on the subject.
521
00:27:36,864 --> 00:27:41,159
And so I created an Instagram
account in early 2023.
522
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,619
I kind of came in
at the right time,
523
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:45,455
where the congressional hearing
was happening.
524
00:27:45,456 --> 00:27:47,040
And I think
I was one of the only,
525
00:27:47,041 --> 00:27:48,792
if not the only person putting
content out in real time.
526
00:27:48,793 --> 00:27:51,127
Mr. Frevor, the Tic Tac
incident that you were
527
00:27:51,128 --> 00:27:53,296
engaged occurred in 2004.
528
00:27:53,297 --> 00:27:56,633
What kind of reporting
took place after that incident?
529
00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:59,469
None. We had a standard debrief
where the backseaters went down
530
00:27:59,470 --> 00:28:02,722
to our carrier intel center
and briefed what had happened,
531
00:28:02,723 --> 00:28:04,140
and that was it.
532
00:28:04,141 --> 00:28:05,850
In the UK,
they're a lot more reserved,
533
00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:07,644
I think, about the subject,
534
00:28:07,645 --> 00:28:12,065
and we haven't seen much talk
from the government at all.
535
00:28:12,066 --> 00:28:14,859
The congressional hearings
were just groundbreaking,
536
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:19,322
because we'd never had anybody,
ever in history,
537
00:28:19,323 --> 00:28:21,324
on oath, saying,
"These things are real,"
538
00:28:21,325 --> 00:28:24,077
"and these are my experiences"
in front of Congress
539
00:28:24,078 --> 00:28:27,997
with the hand up,
passing off their experiences
540
00:28:27,998 --> 00:28:30,626
for the world to see live on TV,
was just incredible.
541
00:28:32,503 --> 00:28:35,505
We would see these objects
being at 0.0 Mach,
542
00:28:35,506 --> 00:28:37,590
that's zero airspeed.
543
00:28:37,591 --> 00:28:39,676
These objects were staying
completely stationary
544
00:28:39,677 --> 00:28:42,011
in Category 4 hurricane winds.
545
00:28:42,012 --> 00:28:45,014
These same objects would then
accelerate to supersonic speeds,
546
00:28:45,015 --> 00:28:49,185
1.1, 1.2 Mach, and they
would do so in very erratic
547
00:28:49,186 --> 00:28:51,814
and quick behaviors that
I don't have an explanation for.
548
00:28:54,275 --> 00:28:58,194
Stories are anecdotes,
and that's not a bad thing.
549
00:28:58,195 --> 00:29:00,780
I mean, in medical literature,
you can write
550
00:29:00,781 --> 00:29:02,907
about a case report,
which is an anecdote
551
00:29:02,908 --> 00:29:04,951
of a single individual story,
552
00:29:04,952 --> 00:29:06,286
and that goes
into the literature.
553
00:29:08,956 --> 00:29:11,875
There are traditional
and standard ways
554
00:29:11,876 --> 00:29:15,420
to get stories as long as
there's data associated with it.
555
00:29:16,797 --> 00:29:19,466
Now, let's talk
about the science of it.
556
00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:22,385
If you have 100 people
who've got the same internal
557
00:29:22,386 --> 00:29:25,763
scarring looking
at the brain scans, that's data.
558
00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:28,391
So that's something
that needs an explanation.
559
00:29:28,392 --> 00:29:32,228
How did a person get all
of these lesions in their brain
560
00:29:32,229 --> 00:29:34,647
and they don't have
multiple sclerosis?
561
00:29:34,648 --> 00:29:37,984
Is there a commonality
that we can observe?
562
00:29:37,985 --> 00:29:40,320
And there was a couple
of reports in the literature
563
00:29:40,321 --> 00:29:43,448
that I found that linked
this area of the brain
564
00:29:43,449 --> 00:29:45,950
to intuition,
and that was interesting
565
00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:47,827
because I thought,
"Well, wait a second."
566
00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:50,663
"Intuition in an area
of the brain"
567
00:29:50,664 --> 00:29:52,499
"that has to do
with body movement?"
568
00:29:55,628 --> 00:29:57,795
Let's say that you're at a party
569
00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,130
and you're walking
around the room.
570
00:29:59,131 --> 00:30:01,090
You need to predict
where people are moving,
571
00:30:01,091 --> 00:30:04,093
but that moment when somebody
does something unexpected,
572
00:30:04,094 --> 00:30:05,678
you have to react to it quickly.
573
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,138
So...
574
00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:10,099
those are life and death
moments, as it turns out,
575
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:12,018
because let's say
you're in a forest
576
00:30:12,019 --> 00:30:14,771
and a wolf or a cheetah
is jumping out.
577
00:30:14,772 --> 00:30:16,272
You need to be able to know
578
00:30:16,273 --> 00:30:19,609
to make the intuitively
correct move.
579
00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:23,821
All the studies that have come
since then have said
580
00:30:23,822 --> 00:30:26,991
that intuition, whatever it is
that you want to call intuition,
581
00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:29,786
resides in this part
of the brain.
582
00:30:29,787 --> 00:30:31,871
I've looked at the data,
and I say that there's something
583
00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:33,331
worth studying here.
584
00:30:33,332 --> 00:30:34,999
I'm only here
to give you the data.
585
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,293
You guys can argue
till the cows come home
586
00:30:37,294 --> 00:30:38,962
what it is.
587
00:30:38,963 --> 00:30:40,672
I'm just telling you
what's there.
588
00:30:40,673 --> 00:30:42,298
I'm not coming
to any conclusions.
589
00:30:44,969 --> 00:30:46,970
A lot of these pilots don't
know what they're seeing.
590
00:30:46,971 --> 00:30:48,972
They don't know
if they're from our government,
591
00:30:48,973 --> 00:30:50,640
above their pay grade.
592
00:30:50,641 --> 00:30:53,393
They don't know
if they're from adversaries,
593
00:30:53,394 --> 00:30:56,980
state actors, non-state actors,
private entities.
594
00:30:56,981 --> 00:30:59,482
So we have to talk
about these things and create
595
00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:01,818
an environment where
other people are comfortable
596
00:31:01,819 --> 00:31:04,529
and feel safe enough to discuss
this very serious issue.
597
00:31:12,496 --> 00:31:13,913
Yeah, that was one
of the things that was striking
598
00:31:13,914 --> 00:31:15,498
in having a chance,
599
00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:16,874
over the course
of a couple years,
600
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:19,502
to get to know
Senator Harry Reid.
601
00:31:19,503 --> 00:31:21,421
You know, learning from him,
number one,
602
00:31:21,422 --> 00:31:24,173
why he was interested
in this issue
603
00:31:24,174 --> 00:31:28,344
and why he, some would say,
risked his political hide
604
00:31:28,345 --> 00:31:30,930
by creating a UFO program.
605
00:31:30,931 --> 00:31:33,516
I mean, all of his staffers
at the time
606
00:31:33,517 --> 00:31:35,768
were like, "Don't do this."
Even if it's secret.
607
00:31:35,769 --> 00:31:38,521
"If it leaks out,
you're gonna look like a kook."
608
00:31:38,522 --> 00:31:40,732
But he didn't really care.
609
00:31:40,733 --> 00:31:43,026
He talked to some
of these fellow senators,
610
00:31:43,027 --> 00:31:46,696
Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska,
Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii,
611
00:31:46,697 --> 00:31:49,032
both World War II veterans,
612
00:31:49,033 --> 00:31:51,784
who were like,
almost immediately, "Oh, yeah."
613
00:31:51,785 --> 00:31:53,454
"We should totally
look into this."
614
00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:57,540
Ted Stevens said
he saw foo fighters
615
00:31:57,541 --> 00:32:00,877
off his wing as an Army Air
Corps pilot over Europe.
616
00:32:00,878 --> 00:32:02,378
You know, people would come back
and they'd be like,
617
00:32:02,379 --> 00:32:04,589
"We saw those things again,
no idea what they are,"
618
00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:06,591
"but they didn't attack us."
619
00:32:06,592 --> 00:32:08,259
"So I guess...
I guess we're okay."
620
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:09,427
And didn't talk about it
for 40 years.
621
00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:11,888
[reporter] Democratic Senator
622
00:32:11,889 --> 00:32:14,557
from Ohio John Glenn, who's 62,
623
00:32:14,558 --> 00:32:17,226
is very much a hero
in a country that loves
624
00:32:17,227 --> 00:32:19,228
to love a national figure.
625
00:32:19,229 --> 00:32:22,065
[Bender] John Glenn, he said,
was another one who was like,
626
00:32:22,066 --> 00:32:24,233
"We absolutely should be
doing more research into this."
627
00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:26,778
But again, these were not guys
who said this publicly,
628
00:32:26,779 --> 00:32:28,821
because in the, you know,
in that era,
629
00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:30,990
you just didn't do that.
630
00:32:30,991 --> 00:32:33,452
Now I think
the stigma is changing.
631
00:32:36,997 --> 00:32:39,916
We've managed to get
the attention of the government,
632
00:32:39,917 --> 00:32:42,585
both the legislative
and executive branches,
633
00:32:42,586 --> 00:32:44,921
and we now have
the real prospect
634
00:32:44,922 --> 00:32:49,258
within the next 24 months, say,
of finding out possibly
635
00:32:49,259 --> 00:32:50,927
where the origin
of some of these things are
636
00:32:50,928 --> 00:32:52,887
or where some of them
might be extraterrestrial.
637
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:56,182
[man] Just random lights
in the sky moving.
638
00:32:56,183 --> 00:32:58,101
Like, I'm not
the only one seeing...
639
00:32:58,102 --> 00:33:00,645
[man] There are three... There
are other people here.
640
00:33:00,646 --> 00:33:03,606
What the [bleep] is this?
641
00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:05,358
[Conway] There's a massive sense
of responsibility now.
642
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,652
And I think when I first
started posting videos,
643
00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:09,862
it was just
whatever I found interesting.
644
00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:11,114
[man] It just keeps on going
in circles
645
00:33:11,115 --> 00:33:13,199
and circles and circles.
646
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,868
[Conway] And so now,
as I go further along,
647
00:33:15,869 --> 00:33:18,121
every time I see new bits
of footage or people
648
00:33:18,122 --> 00:33:22,041
send things to me,
I put out less and less and less
649
00:33:22,042 --> 00:33:24,711
and less and less, because
I have that responsibility.
650
00:33:24,712 --> 00:33:27,547
So I'm really careful
in what I put out.
651
00:33:27,548 --> 00:33:29,632
And now somebody will send me
something and I'll ask them,
652
00:33:29,633 --> 00:33:31,884
"Where's this come from?
Have you got the original?"
653
00:33:31,885 --> 00:33:32,969
"Do you know where
the original came from?"
654
00:33:32,970 --> 00:33:35,346
"Who took the footage?"
655
00:33:35,347 --> 00:33:37,306
There's other footage
out there that's better,
656
00:33:37,307 --> 00:33:40,143
that's more compelling,
but we don't know who took it.
657
00:33:40,144 --> 00:33:43,146
We can't follow back that chain
of custody to somebody
658
00:33:43,147 --> 00:33:46,733
that's super credible
on a platform that we can trust.
659
00:33:46,734 --> 00:33:50,486
- [man] Boom. All three.
- [woman] What is that?
660
00:33:50,487 --> 00:33:51,904
[man] We are all out here
661
00:33:51,905 --> 00:33:54,365
in the middle
of this parking lot...
662
00:33:54,366 --> 00:33:57,369
[interviewer]]
663
00:34:02,916 --> 00:34:04,500
So, AATIP was
664
00:34:04,501 --> 00:34:07,670
the Advanced Aerospace Threat
Identification Program...
665
00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:14,844
...which was set up in 2007
at the direction of Congress,
666
00:34:14,845 --> 00:34:17,346
mainly to look
into these reports
667
00:34:17,347 --> 00:34:20,099
from military pilots.
668
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,895
AATIP was a very small operation
within the Pentagon.
669
00:34:23,896 --> 00:34:25,938
It didn't get very far either.
670
00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:27,565
The senior leadership
in the Pentagon
671
00:34:27,566 --> 00:34:28,775
doesn't wanna hear about it.
672
00:34:28,776 --> 00:34:30,943
They don't wanna spend
resources on it.
673
00:34:30,944 --> 00:34:33,946
[Kean] It didn't have funding
in the later years.
674
00:34:33,947 --> 00:34:35,782
It was just a group
of dedicated people
675
00:34:35,783 --> 00:34:38,201
who kept on doing
what they were doing before
676
00:34:38,202 --> 00:34:40,078
when they did have some funding.
677
00:34:41,371 --> 00:34:45,708
That entity was kind
of transformed numerous times.
678
00:34:45,709 --> 00:34:48,377
It became the UAP Task Force,
679
00:34:48,378 --> 00:34:51,047
and a couple of years there,
and that was acknowledged
680
00:34:51,048 --> 00:34:52,965
by the office of the director
of naval intelligence
681
00:34:52,966 --> 00:34:54,717
that that entity existed.
682
00:34:54,718 --> 00:34:57,220
And that evolved.
It kept changing its name,
683
00:34:57,221 --> 00:34:59,263
you know,
and then it became this...
684
00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:02,558
This All-Domain, uh...
What is it?
685
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:04,894
The All-Domain, um...
686
00:35:04,895 --> 00:35:08,815
Advanced... Wait.
687
00:35:08,816 --> 00:35:11,734
[Kean] No, I know what it is.
All-Domain...
688
00:35:11,735 --> 00:35:15,404
- What's the R?
- The All-Domain...
689
00:35:15,405 --> 00:35:18,534
Anomalous Resolution Office.
It's a horrible name.
690
00:35:20,077 --> 00:35:22,119
Acronym is AARO.
691
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,746
Leave it to the Pentagon
to come up
692
00:35:23,747 --> 00:35:25,289
with something like that.
693
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:27,500
[Kean] It's great
that it has an easy acronym
694
00:35:27,501 --> 00:35:29,752
because some of the previous
names were absolutely insane.
695
00:35:29,753 --> 00:35:31,754
You couldn't even say them
and let alone
696
00:35:31,755 --> 00:35:33,339
say an acronym for them.
697
00:35:33,340 --> 00:35:35,258
Fuck the Pentagon
with these acronyms.
698
00:35:35,259 --> 00:35:38,177
It's called the UFO office.
I mean, come on.
699
00:35:38,178 --> 00:35:40,137
A Pentagon official
confirmed this week
700
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:42,181
that the U.S. government
is investigating
701
00:35:42,182 --> 00:35:46,143
more than 650 potential
UFO sightings.
702
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:48,437
A team is examining
the 650 cases.
703
00:35:48,438 --> 00:35:50,439
This office is up and running.
704
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,358
I'm working with colleagues
to make sure it's fully funded.
705
00:35:52,359 --> 00:35:55,571
So clearly, the Pentagon
is taking UFOs seriously.
706
00:35:56,697 --> 00:35:59,031
[Bender] And really, they're
supposed to be the focal point
707
00:35:59,032 --> 00:36:02,034
that is researching,
not just sightings
708
00:36:02,035 --> 00:36:04,120
made by military personnel
that come in,
709
00:36:04,121 --> 00:36:07,206
but also trying
to dig into the bureaucracy
710
00:36:07,207 --> 00:36:09,625
and figure out
what else do we know,
711
00:36:09,626 --> 00:36:11,418
or what did we know
and when did we know it?
712
00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:16,132
This is altogether different,
fundamentally different.
713
00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:17,800
Now you've got an organization
714
00:36:17,801 --> 00:36:19,635
that's out in the open
with AARO,
715
00:36:19,636 --> 00:36:22,471
enjoys very strong support
from Congress.
716
00:36:22,472 --> 00:36:26,309
It has a very wide mandate
and a lot of latitude.
717
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:28,644
It's got a large staff.
It's growing.
718
00:36:28,645 --> 00:36:31,814
And you have the support
from the intelligence community.
719
00:36:31,815 --> 00:36:33,232
You have direct access
720
00:36:33,233 --> 00:36:35,151
to the deputy secretary
of defense
721
00:36:35,152 --> 00:36:37,112
and the director
of national intelligence.
722
00:36:39,114 --> 00:36:41,824
Now all the national
security agencies,
723
00:36:41,825 --> 00:36:44,911
all the intelligence agencies
have to share information
724
00:36:44,912 --> 00:36:47,538
on this topic
with this AARO office.
725
00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:49,498
All the puzzle pieces
are now on one table,
726
00:36:49,499 --> 00:36:51,834
and you can start fitting them
together instead of being
727
00:36:51,835 --> 00:36:53,754
in different buckets
spread all over the place.
728
00:36:54,671 --> 00:36:56,213
I'd first like to thank
our witness,
729
00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,716
Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick,
for testifying here
730
00:36:58,717 --> 00:37:00,718
and in today's earlier
closed session
731
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,511
and for his long
and distinguished career,
732
00:37:02,512 --> 00:37:04,013
both in the intelligence
community
733
00:37:04,014 --> 00:37:05,431
and in
the Department of Defense.
734
00:37:05,432 --> 00:37:08,184
Dr. Kirkpatrick,
you can give your testimony.
735
00:37:08,185 --> 00:37:09,518
It's a privilege
to be here today
736
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:11,687
to testify on the defense...
737
00:37:11,688 --> 00:37:13,272
defense's efforts to address
738
00:37:13,273 --> 00:37:14,775
unidentified anomalous
phenomena.
739
00:37:18,779 --> 00:37:21,113
[Mellon] So Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick
is a physicist by training.
740
00:37:21,114 --> 00:37:24,408
In his last assignment,
he worked for the space command,
741
00:37:24,409 --> 00:37:25,785
and he worked
in their intelligence shop.
742
00:37:25,786 --> 00:37:28,955
He's very well suited
and qualified
743
00:37:28,956 --> 00:37:31,040
by dint of his training
and background
744
00:37:31,041 --> 00:37:33,292
to lead this effort.
745
00:37:33,293 --> 00:37:35,962
But it's early days,
so it remains to be seen
746
00:37:35,963 --> 00:37:38,381
how this is gonna come out
and where it's going.
747
00:37:38,382 --> 00:37:40,383
[Burchett] This is an issue
of government transparency.
748
00:37:40,384 --> 00:37:44,095
We can't trust a government
that does not trust its people.
749
00:37:44,096 --> 00:37:45,429
We're not bringing
little green men
750
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:47,473
or flying saucers
into the hearing.
751
00:37:47,474 --> 00:37:50,267
Sorry to disappoint
about half y'all.
752
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:51,894
We're just gonna get
to the facts.
753
00:37:51,895 --> 00:37:53,980
We're gonna
uncover the cover-up.
754
00:37:53,981 --> 00:37:55,648
And I hope this is
just the beginning
755
00:37:55,649 --> 00:37:57,108
of many more hearings
and more people
756
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:58,150
coming forward about this.
757
00:38:01,989 --> 00:38:02,989
Yeah.
758
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:07,785
I get a little ribbing,
759
00:38:07,786 --> 00:38:10,079
but I don't give a rip,
mind you.
760
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,748
I go out to take my dogs
out to go to the bathroom
761
00:38:12,749 --> 00:38:16,335
every night in the backyard,
and I look at those stars,
762
00:38:16,336 --> 00:38:19,338
and literally, like,
the concept of light-years
763
00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:21,424
that comes into play,
I always think...
764
00:38:21,425 --> 00:38:22,967
I look at some of those stars,
765
00:38:22,968 --> 00:38:26,762
and the light from those stars
literally left that star
766
00:38:26,763 --> 00:38:28,305
before the time of Christ.
767
00:38:30,308 --> 00:38:32,977
So you think in God's
vast universe
768
00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:35,771
that there could
not be something else?
769
00:38:35,772 --> 00:38:37,273
And to think also,
I mean, it's kind of arrogant
770
00:38:37,274 --> 00:38:39,191
on our part to think that we're
the best that God can do.
771
00:38:39,192 --> 00:38:40,736
I mean, come on.
772
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:46,949
Since 1947, the Pentagon's
been lying to us about UFOs.
773
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:50,786
They've covered this thing up
from day one.
774
00:38:50,787 --> 00:38:54,957
You look at Roswell in 1947,
the military comes out and says,
775
00:38:54,958 --> 00:38:56,625
"We've recovered a saucer."
776
00:38:56,626 --> 00:39:00,504
And then the next day they trot
that poor colonel out
777
00:39:00,505 --> 00:39:02,131
holding a hot-air balloon.
778
00:39:02,132 --> 00:39:04,050
And there's no way
in hell that they would
779
00:39:04,051 --> 00:39:05,468
have messed that up.
780
00:39:05,469 --> 00:39:07,303
You know, military intelligence
781
00:39:07,304 --> 00:39:09,680
is a whole lot
like congressional ethics.
782
00:39:09,681 --> 00:39:10,973
It really just doesn't exist.
783
00:39:15,312 --> 00:39:17,646
What's going to have to happen
is somebody's going to have
784
00:39:17,647 --> 00:39:20,524
to walk out
with some information
785
00:39:20,525 --> 00:39:23,194
of one of these craft,
either on the ground
786
00:39:23,195 --> 00:39:25,738
or flying before they, you know,
787
00:39:25,739 --> 00:39:27,406
commit suicide
by shooting themselves
788
00:39:27,407 --> 00:39:29,867
in the back of the head
five times.
789
00:39:32,579 --> 00:39:35,081
[Gillibrand] I have legislation
for this year's defense bill
790
00:39:35,082 --> 00:39:38,167
to guarantee that AARO,
they have access
791
00:39:38,168 --> 00:39:41,087
to special access programs
which are typically
792
00:39:41,088 --> 00:39:43,756
compartmentalized
and highly classified
793
00:39:43,757 --> 00:39:45,758
to make sure they're actually
getting to see
794
00:39:45,759 --> 00:39:49,678
all the previous data,
all the previous information.
795
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:54,016
So all of those SAPs
are opened to Dr. Kirkpatrick
796
00:39:54,017 --> 00:39:57,853
and the AARO team to review,
to analyze, to understand.
797
00:39:57,854 --> 00:39:59,855
And so hopefully, whatever doors
are still closed
798
00:39:59,856 --> 00:40:01,857
will be opened in the next year.
799
00:40:07,948 --> 00:40:09,532
[Gillibrand] This is
the first time anyone's seen
800
00:40:09,533 --> 00:40:11,200
an unidentified
aerial phenomenon
801
00:40:11,201 --> 00:40:13,077
and reported it
to the federal government.
802
00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:16,622
So we want that data
so that it can be used
803
00:40:16,623 --> 00:40:20,876
as a holistic review
of what is the history.
804
00:40:20,877 --> 00:40:25,214
All of that should be co-located
and reviewed scientifically.
805
00:40:25,215 --> 00:40:28,134
The military is not
comfortable with bad data,
806
00:40:28,135 --> 00:40:30,886
bad facts or things that they
don't know the answer to.
807
00:40:30,887 --> 00:40:33,973
And so that's why
Senator Rubio and I and others
808
00:40:33,974 --> 00:40:36,267
teamed up to begin to look
at this much more intensely.
809
00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:53,951
[Bender] If you look
at the Air Force budget,
810
00:40:53,952 --> 00:40:56,912
a significant share of it
actually isn't theirs.
811
00:40:56,913 --> 00:40:58,831
It's the intelligence
community's.
812
00:40:58,832 --> 00:41:00,833
And it's for all
the secret programs,
813
00:41:00,834 --> 00:41:03,295
but it's sort of budgeted
through the Air Force budget.
814
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,172
The Air Force complains
that, like,
815
00:41:06,173 --> 00:41:07,590
you look at the Air Force
budget and you think,
816
00:41:07,591 --> 00:41:09,341
"Oh, we get the same
as the Army and the Navy."
817
00:41:09,342 --> 00:41:11,594
We don't really,
because there's this huge chunk
818
00:41:11,595 --> 00:41:12,928
that's the pass-through budget.
819
00:41:12,929 --> 00:41:14,597
It's actually not our stuff.
820
00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:17,141
It's the CIA drone program
821
00:41:17,142 --> 00:41:20,144
and, you know,
God knows what else.
822
00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:22,104
We do know
that the government spends
823
00:41:22,105 --> 00:41:27,193
billions every year
on secret aircraft, drones.
824
00:41:27,194 --> 00:41:29,361
[Bender] I wonder if they
don't want to play in this.
825
00:41:29,362 --> 00:41:32,114
Not because
they're hiding aliens,
826
00:41:32,115 --> 00:41:35,701
but if AARO is picking around
and wants to know
827
00:41:35,702 --> 00:41:39,038
where's all the SAPs,
the special access programs
828
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:42,791
that might shed light
on advanced technologies,
829
00:41:42,792 --> 00:41:44,835
and you're the Air Force,
you don't want to open that up.
830
00:41:47,297 --> 00:41:51,717
The SR-71 Blackbird
Cold War spy plane.
831
00:41:51,718 --> 00:41:54,386
The F-117 stealth fighter.
The B-2 bomber.
832
00:41:54,387 --> 00:41:57,806
Those things were secret
for 30 or 40 years,
833
00:41:57,807 --> 00:41:59,850
so imagine what they have now.
834
00:42:06,483 --> 00:42:08,817
[Gillibrand] My goal is
to make sure that the parts
835
00:42:08,818 --> 00:42:11,654
that are appropriate to be
made public are made public.
836
00:42:11,655 --> 00:42:13,697
And that's why we need
the public reporting every year.
837
00:42:13,698 --> 00:42:15,157
And that's why we created
the office,
838
00:42:15,158 --> 00:42:18,160
'cause we wanted to have
a thorough scientific review
839
00:42:18,161 --> 00:42:20,371
of everything that's classified,
unclassified,
840
00:42:20,372 --> 00:42:22,998
and publicly available so that
we just have more information
841
00:42:22,999 --> 00:42:25,834
and that we have more clarity.
842
00:42:25,835 --> 00:42:29,588
The way the issue came to me was
how those pilots were treated,
843
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:31,674
that they weren't necessarily
being believed
844
00:42:31,675 --> 00:42:34,760
or they were being disregarded
in some way.
845
00:42:34,761 --> 00:42:36,553
It became
a very important issue for me.
846
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:40,849
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand
847
00:42:40,850 --> 00:42:43,769
of New York is leading an effort
to change the way
848
00:42:43,770 --> 00:42:47,022
the military handles the problem
of sexual assault
849
00:42:47,023 --> 00:42:48,565
in the Armed Forces.
850
00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:51,402
Gillibrand points to victims
who complain
851
00:42:51,403 --> 00:42:55,030
that too often commanders
ignore their allegations.
852
00:43:00,287 --> 00:43:01,787
There's always a correlation.
853
00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:04,081
Military sexual assault
has been covered up.
854
00:43:04,082 --> 00:43:06,125
Sexual harassment's
been covered up.
855
00:43:06,126 --> 00:43:09,461
These cases often don't see
the light of day.
856
00:43:09,462 --> 00:43:11,422
And on the UAP side,
it's something the military
857
00:43:11,423 --> 00:43:13,799
didn't want
to talk about publicly.
858
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,219
They were addressing it,
from my perspective,
859
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:19,388
in a very paternalistic way
that's not validating
860
00:43:19,389 --> 00:43:21,140
that something
actually happened to them.
861
00:43:21,141 --> 00:43:23,225
I think it's...
862
00:43:23,226 --> 00:43:25,269
duplicitous and inappropriate.
863
00:43:26,813 --> 00:43:29,064
Ryan, you say that...
you know, you wanna get
864
00:43:29,065 --> 00:43:30,232
to a point where people feel
comfortable reporting them.
865
00:43:30,233 --> 00:43:32,234
- Do they not?
- It's a big risk
866
00:43:32,235 --> 00:43:34,486
to go out publicly
on this topic.
867
00:43:34,487 --> 00:43:35,779
At the end of the day,
868
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:37,114
if you're gonna
highlight yourself,
869
00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:38,991
at least in the military
aviation communities,
870
00:43:38,992 --> 00:43:40,326
for something like this,
871
00:43:40,327 --> 00:43:41,870
there's very little
upside for you.
872
00:43:43,913 --> 00:43:45,581
In the Navy,
we deal with problems
873
00:43:45,582 --> 00:43:47,166
after the fact
and not before the fact.
874
00:43:48,918 --> 00:43:51,587
We fix things after people die
and we write our procedures
875
00:43:51,588 --> 00:43:53,797
and our lessons in blood.
876
00:43:53,798 --> 00:43:56,008
And, you know, I think
there's opportunity,
877
00:43:56,009 --> 00:43:58,053
perhaps, to avoid that
in this scenario.
878
00:43:58,845 --> 00:44:01,138
[Gillibrand] I've heard many
reports that service members
879
00:44:01,139 --> 00:44:03,807
who witnessed unidentified
aerial phenomenon
880
00:44:03,808 --> 00:44:05,434
and recorded it
on the instruments
881
00:44:05,435 --> 00:44:07,353
that they had available to them
882
00:44:07,354 --> 00:44:09,938
were often disregarded
or disbelieved
883
00:44:09,939 --> 00:44:12,107
or retaliated against
for coming forward
884
00:44:12,108 --> 00:44:15,986
with information
about these sightings.
885
00:44:15,987 --> 00:44:17,946
Those individuals
are whistleblowers,
886
00:44:17,947 --> 00:44:19,615
and they should be heard.
887
00:44:21,326 --> 00:44:24,161
[Bender] One of the biggest
moves Congress has taken
888
00:44:24,162 --> 00:44:27,456
is to enact
this law that includes
889
00:44:27,457 --> 00:44:31,126
a process for people
within the military,
890
00:44:31,127 --> 00:44:34,338
within the spy agencies,
to come forward to Congress,
891
00:44:34,339 --> 00:44:39,343
but also to the Pentagon AARO
office with their testimony.
892
00:44:39,344 --> 00:44:42,054
In other words, if, you know,
893
00:44:42,055 --> 00:44:44,348
they signed a non-disclosure
agreement and were told
894
00:44:44,349 --> 00:44:46,475
never talk about
this secret program,
895
00:44:46,476 --> 00:44:47,976
you sort of get
a get-out-of-jail free card,
896
00:44:47,977 --> 00:44:49,311
you can come forward.
897
00:44:49,312 --> 00:44:51,730
There's supposed to be
a process for that
898
00:44:51,731 --> 00:44:53,899
to help Congress unearth
899
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:57,903
some of these programs
that might exist that,
900
00:44:57,904 --> 00:44:59,321
you know,
have not seen the light of day.
901
00:44:59,322 --> 00:45:01,865
The UAP task force
was refused access
902
00:45:01,866 --> 00:45:05,661
to a broad crash
retrieval program.
903
00:45:05,662 --> 00:45:08,497
When you say "crash retrieval,"
what do you mean?
904
00:45:08,498 --> 00:45:11,750
These are retrieving
non-human origin
905
00:45:11,751 --> 00:45:14,169
technical vehicles,
you know, call it spacecraft,
906
00:45:14,170 --> 00:45:17,548
if you will,
non-human, exotic origin
907
00:45:17,549 --> 00:45:19,716
vehicles that have
either landed or crashed.
908
00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:22,928
We have spacecraft
from another species?
909
00:45:22,929 --> 00:45:24,222
We do. Yeah.
910
00:45:27,434 --> 00:45:30,018
David Grusch is undoubtedly
the biggest whistleblower
911
00:45:30,019 --> 00:45:31,437
that we've ever had in history.
912
00:45:31,438 --> 00:45:33,397
I mean, he's the first
official whistleblower
913
00:45:33,398 --> 00:45:34,857
that came forward
with the legislation
914
00:45:34,858 --> 00:45:38,277
that came out in the NDAA,
and he's saying that,
915
00:45:38,278 --> 00:45:39,862
"I've interviewed
all of these people."
916
00:45:39,863 --> 00:45:42,030
"It was my job to interview
all of these people."
917
00:45:42,031 --> 00:45:44,616
"I was sent out to do it.
I had the clearances."
918
00:45:44,617 --> 00:45:46,702
These people were telling him
that they had
919
00:45:46,703 --> 00:45:50,539
firsthand experience
with craft and with biologics.
920
00:45:52,208 --> 00:45:55,878
[Mellon] So right now,
there are whistleblower cases
921
00:45:55,879 --> 00:45:57,880
happening around this issue.
922
00:45:57,881 --> 00:46:00,549
So anybody out there
who may have been involved
923
00:46:00,550 --> 00:46:03,552
in a program-related UAP,
924
00:46:03,553 --> 00:46:05,637
you know, black programs
related to this topic,
925
00:46:05,638 --> 00:46:07,806
particularly if they think
it may not have been
926
00:46:07,807 --> 00:46:10,142
appropriated by Congress
and authorized,
927
00:46:10,143 --> 00:46:14,146
they can now come forward
and share that information
928
00:46:14,147 --> 00:46:17,232
in a secure environment
without violating the law
929
00:46:17,233 --> 00:46:18,442
or their obligations.
930
00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:22,613
We now have a number
931
00:46:22,614 --> 00:46:24,907
of very senior
government officials
932
00:46:24,908 --> 00:46:26,742
with very high
security clearances
933
00:46:26,743 --> 00:46:29,411
that are coming forward
and basically saying,
934
00:46:29,412 --> 00:46:33,415
"We believe there are
secret programs buried deep"
935
00:46:33,416 --> 00:46:36,293
"in the bureaucracy
that are hiding"
936
00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:39,421
"either UFO crash materials"
937
00:46:39,422 --> 00:46:43,800
"or, you know, some other
sort of exotic technology"
938
00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:46,303
"that we don't think
is human made."
939
00:46:46,304 --> 00:46:49,431
And just the simple fact
that that's happening,
940
00:46:49,432 --> 00:46:51,099
it's not just people
from the fringe.
941
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,144
It's not, you know,
people just claiming
942
00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:55,646
that they believe this or that.
943
00:46:55,647 --> 00:46:57,147
These are the people
that are entrusted
944
00:46:57,148 --> 00:46:58,690
with the nation's secrets.
945
00:46:58,691 --> 00:47:00,484
Some of them are
coming forward and saying,
946
00:47:00,485 --> 00:47:02,986
"Hey, there's more
to learn here,"
947
00:47:02,987 --> 00:47:05,280
"and we wanna help you
find out."
948
00:47:05,281 --> 00:47:06,491
I think that's remarkable.
949
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:13,121
[Nolan] Because I helped those
people from the government
950
00:47:13,122 --> 00:47:16,291
and the aerospace corporation
that showed up in my office
951
00:47:16,292 --> 00:47:18,835
and gave them advice
on how to do
952
00:47:18,836 --> 00:47:20,671
the kinds of analysis
they wanted to do,
953
00:47:20,672 --> 00:47:23,298
they started coming back
to me for more.
954
00:47:23,299 --> 00:47:26,134
A case in point
is the Atacama mummy,
955
00:47:26,135 --> 00:47:27,719
which many people know about.
956
00:47:31,474 --> 00:47:33,850
I was brought to help study it
957
00:47:33,851 --> 00:47:35,561
'cause somebody thought
it was an alien.
958
00:47:35,562 --> 00:47:37,354
In fact, I have to be honest.
I mean, I reached out to them
959
00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:39,523
and said, "You're claiming
it's an alien"?
960
00:47:39,524 --> 00:47:42,401
"I can prove or disprove it,"
at least looking at its DNA,
961
00:47:42,402 --> 00:47:43,485
if it has DNA.
962
00:47:45,488 --> 00:47:48,323
I had two
other Stanford professors,
963
00:47:48,324 --> 00:47:51,201
specialists in genetics,
a bunch of graduate students,
964
00:47:51,202 --> 00:47:52,911
and I had the world's expert
965
00:47:52,912 --> 00:47:55,707
in pediatric bone disorders
on the paper.
966
00:47:57,417 --> 00:47:59,042
That, of course, went worldwide.
967
00:47:59,043 --> 00:48:00,586
And you know what the title was?
968
00:48:00,587 --> 00:48:04,339
"Stanford professor
sequences DNA of alien baby."
969
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:05,592
It was all over the world.
970
00:48:09,262 --> 00:48:13,348
I eventually proved
that it was a human stillbirth
971
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:15,643
with multiple mutations
and bone dysmorphias.
972
00:48:18,688 --> 00:48:21,898
My entrée to the UFO community
was, you know,
973
00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:25,193
the hated one, you know,
the guy who disproved
974
00:48:25,194 --> 00:48:26,737
that it was an alien.
975
00:48:26,738 --> 00:48:28,071
It's one of those weird ones,
976
00:48:28,072 --> 00:48:30,532
but Gary Nolan's
a significant character
977
00:48:30,533 --> 00:48:34,286
because the subject has lacked
that scientific connection.
978
00:48:34,287 --> 00:48:37,789
So we rely on people
like Gary Nolan to say,
979
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:39,207
"I've seen the evidence,"
980
00:48:39,208 --> 00:48:41,209
"and this is how
I've assessed the evidence."
981
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:44,422
And we need people like Gary
to do that for us.
982
00:48:45,798 --> 00:48:48,592
[Nolan] Because I'd gotten
a Department of Defense award
983
00:48:48,593 --> 00:48:51,219
for doing ovarian cancer
that came about
984
00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:53,263
the same time
that I was doing the work,
985
00:48:53,264 --> 00:48:54,639
I was accused
of being bought off.
986
00:48:56,809 --> 00:48:59,561
These kinds of conspiracy things
that you never live down.
987
00:48:59,562 --> 00:49:01,563
People still...
I still see it in Reddit forums
988
00:49:01,564 --> 00:49:03,649
every once in a while.
989
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:05,817
You know, science can be done
on these things
990
00:49:05,818 --> 00:49:08,904
because there's a whole bunch
of data on the table.
991
00:49:08,905 --> 00:49:13,784
But once you start looking
amongst all the puzzle pieces,
992
00:49:13,785 --> 00:49:15,661
interesting stuff
starts to show up.
993
00:49:25,713 --> 00:49:28,173
[Mellon] I was always driven
by curiosity.
994
00:49:28,174 --> 00:49:31,927
I was at a boarding school.
I was seven years old.
995
00:49:31,928 --> 00:49:34,137
And the headmaster
of the school,
996
00:49:34,138 --> 00:49:36,932
one of his neighbors,
had taken a home movie
997
00:49:36,933 --> 00:49:39,267
of a UFO from his backyard.
998
00:49:39,268 --> 00:49:42,771
And the headmaster of the school
was so excited about this,
999
00:49:42,772 --> 00:49:44,606
he felt we all needed
to see this movie.
1000
00:49:46,192 --> 00:49:48,819
We all saw a three
to five-minute segment
1001
00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:53,198
of a massive,
golden, disc-shaped object.
1002
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:54,783
And one of the things
that was interesting
1003
00:49:54,784 --> 00:49:57,160
was clouds look opaque,
1004
00:49:57,161 --> 00:49:58,954
generally big cumulus clouds,
you know, white.
1005
00:49:58,955 --> 00:50:00,497
But when something goes into it,
1006
00:50:00,498 --> 00:50:03,125
you see it's actually
not very dense. It's wispy.
1007
00:50:03,126 --> 00:50:05,627
This is way before
computer-generated imagery.
1008
00:50:05,628 --> 00:50:08,296
This is Kodak reel-to-reel
kind of stuff.
1009
00:50:08,297 --> 00:50:10,716
So I don't know
how that could have been faked.
1010
00:50:10,717 --> 00:50:12,342
And it went into the cloud,
eventually disappeared,
1011
00:50:12,343 --> 00:50:14,886
and then came out
the other side.
1012
00:50:14,887 --> 00:50:17,889
I was thunderstruck,
and a bunch of us
1013
00:50:17,890 --> 00:50:20,517
went running outside looking
at the night sky that night
1014
00:50:20,518 --> 00:50:22,519
to see
if we could see something.
1015
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,146
And I started reading every book
1016
00:50:24,147 --> 00:50:25,981
I could get my hands on.
1017
00:50:25,982 --> 00:50:28,692
It gave me a lifelong interest.
1018
00:50:36,951 --> 00:50:40,078
For years, there was
virtually no discussion
1019
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,581
in mainstream-leading
news outlets,
1020
00:50:42,582 --> 00:50:45,876
and yet, meanwhile,
local papers,
1021
00:50:45,877 --> 00:50:47,669
there were thousands
and thousands
1022
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:51,006
of reports from small
communities all over the world
1023
00:50:51,007 --> 00:50:52,674
where people in their community
1024
00:50:52,675 --> 00:50:54,760
had had experiences
and seen things,
1025
00:50:54,761 --> 00:50:56,678
you know, the local doctor
or the mayor or...
1026
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,514
So there was a huge disconnect
between the national media
1027
00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:01,892
and the regional media.
1028
00:51:01,893 --> 00:51:03,685
And why is there such a paradox?
1029
00:51:07,231 --> 00:51:10,358
In 1950, I believe,
it was May of 1950,
1030
00:51:10,359 --> 00:51:13,528
Enrico Fermi was
a nuclear physicist,
1031
00:51:13,529 --> 00:51:15,405
one of the fathers
of the atom bomb.
1032
00:51:15,406 --> 00:51:19,951
He was one of the seminal
physicists involved
1033
00:51:19,952 --> 00:51:22,454
in advancing research
and our understanding
1034
00:51:22,455 --> 00:51:24,206
of quantum mechanics
and subatomic particles
1035
00:51:24,207 --> 00:51:25,540
and so forth.
1036
00:51:25,541 --> 00:51:28,084
He continued to visit Los Alamos
1037
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:30,128
after the atom bomb
was developed,
1038
00:51:30,129 --> 00:51:32,214
during the summers.
1039
00:51:32,215 --> 00:51:33,465
He was in the cafeteria
1040
00:51:33,466 --> 00:51:34,966
lunching
with some other scientists,
1041
00:51:34,967 --> 00:51:37,552
and the issue
of alien life came up,
1042
00:51:37,553 --> 00:51:40,305
and he made this wisecrack,
"Well, where is everybody?"
1043
00:51:40,306 --> 00:51:42,265
And everybody had
a good chuckle about that.
1044
00:51:42,266 --> 00:51:44,059
But that has become known
as Fermi's Paradox.
1045
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:45,435
If there's life in the universe
1046
00:51:45,436 --> 00:51:47,646
and life in our...
Elsewhere in our galaxy,
1047
00:51:47,647 --> 00:51:49,481
how come we don't see
any evidence?
1048
00:51:49,482 --> 00:51:52,651
We don't detect
any radio signals, et cetera.
1049
00:51:52,652 --> 00:51:56,446
The ironic thing is
that even as he was saying that,
1050
00:51:56,447 --> 00:51:58,490
the director of security
at Los Alamos
1051
00:51:58,491 --> 00:52:00,075
had his hair on fire
because there were
1052
00:52:00,076 --> 00:52:03,245
so many UFO sightings
right around Los Alamos
1053
00:52:03,246 --> 00:52:05,247
at the very same time
he's saying it.
1054
00:52:05,248 --> 00:52:07,499
I mean, everybody
around Los Alamos,
1055
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:11,086
the security people,
pilots, scientists,
1056
00:52:11,087 --> 00:52:12,587
everybody was seeing
these things.
1057
00:52:12,588 --> 00:52:14,840
Just a few months before,
1058
00:52:14,841 --> 00:52:19,094
there was an overflight
of about 100 UAP
1059
00:52:19,095 --> 00:52:20,971
over the town
of Farmington, New Mexico.
1060
00:52:20,972 --> 00:52:24,432
You know, front page news
across the states.
1061
00:52:24,433 --> 00:52:26,268
And so there's
this huge disconnect
1062
00:52:26,269 --> 00:52:27,519
with people
in the scientific community
1063
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:28,979
saying, "How come
there's no evidence?"
1064
00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:30,939
And meanwhile,
there's these things that could
1065
00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:33,525
be alien probes
that are swarming all around
1066
00:52:33,526 --> 00:52:35,443
the very facility
where they're saying this.
1067
00:52:42,326 --> 00:52:44,494
[woman] Oh, my God.
What is that?
1068
00:52:44,495 --> 00:52:46,454
[man] Quick, quick. Like, are
you recording that right now?
1069
00:52:46,455 --> 00:52:47,956
[woman] Yeah, I'm recording.
I'm recording.
1070
00:52:47,957 --> 00:52:50,001
What the f... is that?
1071
00:52:52,753 --> 00:52:55,130
The cabin was our place
1072
00:52:55,131 --> 00:52:56,548
and our little country place.
1073
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:58,842
And we certainly didn't expect
anything peculiar
1074
00:52:58,843 --> 00:53:00,510
to happen there.
1075
00:53:00,511 --> 00:53:05,515
But after that night,
I became scared.
1076
00:53:05,516 --> 00:53:07,392
I bought a shotgun.
I bought a pistol.
1077
00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:10,145
I was really strung out.
1078
00:53:10,146 --> 00:53:14,316
I hurt. I had been assaulted.
And that was obvious to me.
1079
00:53:14,317 --> 00:53:16,693
I mean, I had a mark
on the side of my head.
1080
00:53:16,694 --> 00:53:18,779
I had been rectally injured.
1081
00:53:21,073 --> 00:53:23,491
I was obviously the victim
of an assault of some sort.
1082
00:53:23,492 --> 00:53:24,952
But when? Who?